Heaven, because it is the Catholic Church (the pillar and ground 0f the truth) which tells me so. When I read the Gospel, I read it only with a full and complete submission to the interpretation which the Church gives me, whose voice I am obliged to hear under pain of being treated by God “ as a heathen and publican ” (Hath, xviii. 17). And when I read this Holy Gospel I call to mind the words of St. Peter (2 Peter, iii. 15, 16), “ As also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things ; in which are some things hard to be understood, which the unlearnerl and unstable wrest, as also the other Scriptures, to their own perdition.”

In reading the Holy Scriptures, I call to mind that I am but a poor ignorant man, and that if I depend upon my feeble understand- ing, I shall very soon go astray ; therefore I am careful to understand what I read in the sense that the Church has always taught. For if I am bound to believe that the Church is infallible, when she tells rne that St. Mark and St. Luke were inspired by the Holy Ghost to write their Gospels, although I do not ﬁnd a word in the Bible, ac- cording to Mr. Roussy’s admission, to prove this truth. I am bound to believe that she is in like manner guided by the Holy Ghost, in the interpretation of the Scriptures, which sacred treasure she alone has perserved for me infallibly.

I ‘nave admitted to you, Mr. Chairman, that I am but an ignorant man, and for this reason I am in need of an infallible guide in the interpretation of the Holy Scriptures. I have no intention of insulting, nor of wounding Mr. Roussy in any manner, but I tell you that I believe him just as ignorant as I am, and I believe that he be- longs to that class of men of whom St. Peter speaks, when he says, the unlearned do not understand the Holy Scriptures, and wrest them in a false sense to their own perdition.

In spite of my ignorance and my weakness, I am assured that I shall not go astray in the reading of the Scriptures, since I have for my guide “ the Church, the pillar and ground of the truth,” and take for my interpreter, that Church to whom my adorable Saviour has said :-—“ The gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” But 1 am curious to know how Mr Roussy, who is also a poor ignorant man, can be assured of ﬁnding his salvation in the reading of the Bible, when the prince of the Apostles assures us that the ignorant ﬁnd in it their ruin.

MR. RoUssY.—The Holy Ghost invites us to read the Sacred Scriptures, and in consequence promises to enlighten ns.—-Here is a text which reveals to us in a most evident manner, this trnth,—(2 Timothy iii. 13, 16) “Evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. But continue thou in the things thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them ; and that from a child, thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation, through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by in- spiration of God, and is proﬁtable for doctrine, for reproof. for correc- tion, for instruction in righteousness.”

Here we see St. Paul congratulating his well beloved Timothy for having known the holy scriptures from his childhood. Therefore,